Legislature(2007 - 2008)BELTZ 211

04/24/2007 03:30 PM Senate COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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03:39:58 PM Start
03:41:01 PM SB145
04:37:39 PM Adjourn
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*+ SB 145 MUNIS IMPOUND/FORFEIT MOTOR VEHICLE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 145(CRA) Out of Committee
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           SB 145-MUNIS IMPOUND/FORFEIT MOTOR VEHICLE                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON announced the consideration of SB 145.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS moved to adopt CSSB 145(CRA), version C.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER objected for an explanation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:41:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MCGUIRE,  sponsor  of  SB  145,  said  the  bill  allows                                                               
municipalities  to impound  motor vehicles  owned by  persons who                                                               
have  more than  $1,000 in  unpaid traffic  fines. Under  current                                                               
law, municipalities are authorized  to adopt local ordinances for                                                               
impoundment  and  forfeiture  of vehicles  for  crimes  including                                                               
driving while intoxicated, driving  with a suspended license, and                                                               
driving without  insurance. The  fines must be  paid in  order to                                                               
get a vehicle back. She said  that SB 145 would add "accumulation                                                               
of more  than $1,000 in unpaid  citations" to the list.  She said                                                               
the Municipality of Anchorage brought  this idea forward, because                                                               
1,017 of  its individuals have a  total of over $7.57  million in                                                               
unpaid traffic fines.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE  said it's important  to note that it's  the rare                                                               
person who  would allow up  to $1,000  in fines to  accumulate in                                                               
the first place.  One person has 43  different citations totaling                                                               
almost $10,000  and another has  70 totaling $7,853. This  law is                                                               
meant  to target  the habitual,  repeat  offenders who  blatantly                                                               
disregard public  safety and refuse  to pay their  citation fees.                                                               
Many refuse to  pay the fines because they  know the municipality                                                               
has no recourse.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE  said the  Anchorage Assembly  unanimously passed                                                               
an  ordinance  on the  same  issue  two  weeks  ago making  it  a                                                               
misdemeanor. SB 145 does not do  that; it is about an impoundment                                                               
- not  making it  a crime  - for  anyone who  has at  least three                                                               
unpaid traffic tickets  worth over $1,000. It  uses forfeiture as                                                               
a way  to encourage  compliance with  the law  and has  no fiscal                                                               
impact  to the  state. Individuals  stopped by  a police  officer                                                               
under these circumstances  would lose their vehicle for  up to 30                                                               
days. To get  it back, the individual would have  to pay the $390                                                               
in administration  fees plus towing  and storage fees -  and they                                                               
would have to pay their traffic fines.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE said a person that  did not pay the traffic fines                                                               
and was caught a second  time could lose the vehicle permanently.                                                               
The CS  adds a  new section  that would  allow the  department to                                                               
provide  information   on  individuals'  employment   history  or                                                               
records confidentially  to a municipal attorney  who would assist                                                               
the  municipality  in  finding  the  individuals  and  assist  in                                                               
collection of their civil or  criminal fines, penalties, or other                                                               
payment or judgments that were ordered by the court.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:44:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MCGUIRE  said she is  a privacy  nut and so  she inserted                                                               
language saying  that prior to  release of this  information, the                                                               
department and the municipal attorney  would have to enter into a                                                               
written  agreement   that  must   specify  the  purpose   of  the                                                               
information,  a  description  of   the  information  provided,  a                                                               
description of  the procedure  for transmitting,  securing, using                                                               
and   disposing   of  the   information,   and   the  method   of                                                               
reimbursement for the cost of providing that information.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MCGUIRE  said  that  people  will  testify  that  it  is                                                               
increasingly  difficult  for   municipalities  to  collect  these                                                               
unpaid fines. It is low on  their list of priorities because they                                                               
have no method  to get to the repeat offenders  who are the worst                                                               
ones. The amendment would change  the "may" to "shall". Her local                                                               
assembly, which  is bipartisan,  has passed  this, and  there has                                                               
been positive  feedback. She  added that the  costs of  running a                                                               
municipality are  passed on to folks  who do pay their  fines and                                                               
abide  by the  law while  offenders just  shrug their  shoulders.                                                               
This  will get  their  attention.  It may  also  be a  deterrent.                                                               
Studies from  the DNA database  law show that a  general attitude                                                               
toward disrespecting  the law  on a repeat  basis tends  to trend                                                               
into other areas.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:47:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS noted  that this  is  just another  tool that  a                                                               
municipality can choose to use or  not. He remarked that the size                                                               
of the accumulated fines was amazing.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE  said forfeiture would get  offenders' attention,                                                               
and she wants to make life as difficult as possible for them.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WAGONER asked  if "meter  maids"  would have  a list  of                                                               
offenders to check.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE replied that is  her understanding. If someone is                                                               
stopped for another  violation, this law would kick  in. It could                                                               
happen with a meter person.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:50:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON  asked why she  proposed taking a  violator's vehicle                                                               
instead of his  driver's license. What happens if  an offender is                                                               
driving someone else's vehicle or a company vehicle?                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE replied that was a  very good question and it has                                                               
been debated.  It was found  that impounding the vehicle  was the                                                               
most effective  away of getting offenders'  attention. She didn't                                                               
know  the answer  to what  would happen  with a  company vehicle.                                                               
When she  was chair  of the House  Judiciary Committee  she found                                                               
using the threat  of taking a driver's license tended  to not get                                                               
people's attention as well, because  people who have this kind of                                                               
mentality have a general disregard  of the law. Having a driver's                                                               
license is a  privilege and why would that  individual care about                                                               
his privilege to  drive when he hadn't cared enough  to not drive                                                               
drunk three different times or have 43 citations issued to him.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:53:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS moved  to adopt Amendment 1,  which changes "may"                                                               
to "shall" on page 1, line 5.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON objected for an explanation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE  said there is  some concern that  the Department                                                               
of  Labor and  Workforce Development  (DOLWD) might  not want  to                                                               
give out the information. This would make the bill unworkable.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  asked  under  what   circumstances  they  would  be                                                               
unwilling to release this information.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE replied  she couldn't speculate, but  said if the                                                               
legislature  wants to  adopt sharing  that information  as public                                                               
policy then the bill ought to say "shall".                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:55:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  why they  are  asking the  DOLWD for  the                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MCGUIRE  replied that  this  bill  has  to do  with  the                                                               
garnishment  of wages,  and Title  23  already has  many ways  to                                                               
access DOLWD  records for IRS  and payment of child  support, for                                                               
instance.  The municipalities  can ask  for the  ability to  work                                                               
with  the department  in the  same way.  This wouldn't  help with                                                               
individuals who work for themselves.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  removed his objection and  without further objection                                                               
Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MCGUIRE  said  she  hoped  for  a  conceptual  amendment                                                               
[Amendment  2] for  a severability  clause to  state that  if any                                                               
part of the  bill is ruled unconstitutional, the  remainder of it                                                               
could still be enforced.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  why she  thought  one part  may be  ruled                                                               
unconstitutional.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
WENDY CHAMBERLIN,  Municipality of  Anchorage, answered  that the                                                               
DOLWD has  expressed concern over  providing any  information due                                                               
to confidentiality  laws. From the municipality's  point of view,                                                               
it already has the confidential  information in terms of names of                                                               
the offenders,  their social  security numbers,  addresses, ages,                                                               
et  cetera, but  frequently these  offenders move  jobs and  they                                                               
don't  have the  employers' names  and addresses.  The department                                                               
originally thought  it could provide  that information,  but then                                                               
it asked for explicit direction to do it to be on the safe side.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:59:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KOOKESH asked what the unconstitutionality would be.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERLIN replied  that the  municipality's attorneys  said                                                               
there  wouldn't be  one, but  the DOLWD  had some  concerns about                                                               
severability, and  she thought it  was a  wise course to  put the                                                               
severability clause in there.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  if the  first section  goes down  because                                                               
it's  unconstitutional,  the  next   section  would  still  allow                                                               
someone's vehicle to be impounded.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERLIN replied  yes. She  said driver's  license records                                                               
from the Anchorage  police department show there  is a tremendous                                                               
correlation between motor vehicle  accidents and drivers who have                                                               
significant delinquent  traffic fines. Often their  licenses have                                                               
already been taken away.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON read Amendment 2:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      If any part of this bill is ruled unconstitutional,                                                                       
     the remainder of the bill will remain in force.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There were no objections and Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
STEVE SMITH, Deputy Chief,  Division of Administration, Anchorage                                                               
Police Department,  said the department  supported the  bill. The                                                               
department's main mission is to  change bad behavior in offenders                                                               
by enforcing the  law and imposing consequences  on bad behavior.                                                               
Unenforceable consequences  do not  change bad behavior.  A small                                                               
portion  of  Anchorage's  population  does  not  recognize  these                                                               
sanctions and  become delinquent. These offenders  typically pose                                                               
an ongoing  danger to  the public  due to  the bad  attitude that                                                               
exudes in  their conduct. The  provisions in this bill  will give                                                               
law enforcement  an additional tool  to change that  behavior. As                                                               
was  noted, taking  their licenses  away does  not work,  because                                                               
they  don't recognize  that authority  in the  first place.  Many                                                               
don't have a license already. At  the very least it "gets them on                                                               
their feet instead of on the road."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:04:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked what happens  to the vehicle if an offender                                                               
doesn't show up to get it back.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH  replied  that  an impounded  vehicle  is  subject  to                                                               
forfeiture, which is a separate proceeding.   He said they try to                                                               
recover   some  of   their  costs   through  those   proceedings,                                                               
especially if a car has been impounded for a long time.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:05:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON asked  what happens if the vehicle  is not registered                                                               
in the violator's name.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH replied that the bill  does not require that the driver                                                               
has to be  the registered owner; so the vehicle  would be subject                                                               
to impound no matter who owned it.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON asked  what  would happen  if  someone borrowed  the                                                               
preacher's wife's car.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  replied that he could  see how that might  not be fair                                                               
to  the  preacher's wife,  but  these  scofflaws have  a  support                                                               
network and pass vehicles around.  This provision would make that                                                               
person someone you wouldn't want to  lend your car to. It narrows                                                               
their "friend pool" for accessing different vehicles.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:07:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON observed  that a person with thousands  of dollars in                                                               
fines and a jalopy worth $400 could just let it go.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH said  that was  a reasonable  supposition, but  police                                                               
focus on behaviors. "We want them off the street."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER  supposed a person  has a valid  driver's license                                                               
and is working as a delivery person in a $17,000 company van.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  replied the  police would follow  the law  and impound                                                               
the  vehicle.  He   deferred  to  others,  but   he  thought  the                                                               
legitimate owner would have a way to get the vehicle back.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:08:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON asked  if the department would  impound aircraft that                                                               
doesn't belong to the violator as  well - in reference to page 2,                                                               
line 4.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  replied that the  Anchorage police don't  get involved                                                               
with air or watercraft.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON said the language says it would have that authority.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH replied  that item  5  is specific  to motor  vehicles                                                               
under  the delinquent  traffic fine  section.  So the  department                                                               
wouldn't have the authority relating  to water and aircraft under                                                               
the $1,000 delinquent traffic fine provision.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:10:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MCGUIRE  said she wanted to  make it clear that  the bill                                                               
will  not impact  the current  statute  that applies  to air  and                                                               
watercraft. All this bill does is deal with motor vehicles.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAN  MOORE,  Treasurer,  Municipality   of  Anchorage,  said  the                                                               
traffic and criminal fine cases  they are pursuing for collection                                                               
are  all ones  that have  run through  the court  system and  are                                                               
considered judgments which they are  fully empowered by the court                                                               
to collect.  They have a  formal agreement with the  court system                                                               
to  act as  its  collection  agent. In  terms  of unpaid  default                                                               
judgment cases,  it is  at a crisis  point for  local governments                                                               
within  Alaska  and for  the  Alaska  court system.  He  strongly                                                               
supported the concepts behind the  major elements in CSSB 145 and                                                               
felt that it would greatly  enhance public safety. Going forward,                                                               
it would encourage better compliance with the law.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:12:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MOORE said  the original proposed language  was very specific                                                               
for  how  the  DOLWD  would  comply with  future  requests  by  a                                                               
municipal  attorney  for   employer  information  for  garnishing                                                               
wages. In the past it had complied  but not in the last couple of                                                               
years. He  supported the language  changing "may" to  "shall". He                                                               
said the  City of  Anchorage has been  pursuing these  cases very                                                               
actively for  the last several  years and  has done all  sorts of                                                               
things  that improve  collection  realization. It  formed a  task                                                               
force  that included  the  court system,  the  Division of  Motor                                                               
Vehicles,  the municipal  prosecutor,  and  the Anchorage  Police                                                               
Department. The  magnitude of the  problem was  quoted accurately                                                               
in the  Anchorage figure  by Senator McGuire,  but he  stated the                                                               
figures for the state would be much greater.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE said the two  main categories for garnishing wages they                                                               
would pursue are  for unpaid traffic citations,  which amounts to                                                               
almost $8 million  and affects 23,000 individuals  and the second                                                               
category  of criminal  fines, which  gets into  domestic violence                                                               
and DUIs.  Criminal fines add  up to  over $16 million  of unpaid                                                               
fines and  are tied  to over 16,000  individuals. The  problem is                                                               
huge and despite  the department's efforts, they are  not able to                                                               
take a big enough bite out of it. It gets worse every year.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:16:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MOORE added  that they propose asking that  the DOLWD provide                                                               
employer   names   and    addresses.   This   is   commonly-asked                                                               
information.  With it,  they could  follow the  court process  of                                                               
garnishing wages.  He said the department's  14-year track record                                                               
for protecting information  is good. It has never  had any breach                                                               
of confidentiality. Every year  the municipality receives 600,000                                                               
names along  with date-of-birth and social  security numbers from                                                               
the Department of Revenue. It  already has a working relationship                                                               
with the court.  The wages are from a private  employer data base                                                               
that  the Department  of Labor  maintains and  updates quarterly.                                                               
The information will be very timely, he added.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE  said the  department has  already garnished  the wages                                                               
from  people employed  by the  Anchorage  municipality. He  state                                                               
that  this  legislation  provides  the greatest  public  good  by                                                               
holding  debtors  accountable  for  breaking  public  laws,  thus                                                               
encouraging greater  compliance and  improving public  safety. He                                                               
said  that every  dollar collected  via wage  garnishment by  the                                                               
municipality  will go  back to  the police  department budget  to                                                               
fund  police enforcement.  It will  also partially  reimburse the                                                               
court system for court collection costs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:18:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  asked if  he was correct  that Section  2, which                                                               
deals with impoundment and forfeiture  of vehicles, would be used                                                               
for the $7  million in unpaid traffic citations,  but getting the                                                               
employers'  names  and addresses  from  the  DOLWD would  be  for                                                               
collecting the $16 million in unpaid civil or criminal fines.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE  replied that the  intent is that the  wage garnishment                                                               
process would apply to both  traffic and criminal fines together.                                                               
There is a lot of crossover  between scofflaws and the people who                                                               
owe  criminal  fines.  Representing  the  treasury,  he  is  more                                                               
focused on collecting the dollars.  The effect of the second part                                                               
of the  bill dealing with  impoundment is to interrupt  the "high                                                               
flyers," and  get them  off the  road. That is  more of  a public                                                               
safety issue.  They are  trying to recover  the over  $20 million                                                               
that exists in both traffic and criminal fines.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:20:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  asked if  Section 1  covers the  unpaid criminal                                                               
and the unpaid traffic citations as well.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOORE  replied that  it  covers  traffic fines,  because  in                                                               
Anchorage those are considered civil violations.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked if revoking  the driver's license wouldn't be a                                                               
more valuable tool.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE replied that the task  force has researched the top 300                                                               
violators  and  found they  commonly  ignore  the law  and  drive                                                               
regardless  of the  status of  their license.  History has  shown                                                               
that scofflaws aren't affected by revoking their licenses.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked about vehicles  that are registered to a person                                                               
other than the offender.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:22:48 PM                                                                                                                    
JOSHUA  FREEMAN, Assistant  Attorney, Municipality  of Anchorage,                                                               
responded  that the  assembly has  made a  finding based  on data                                                               
provided by the Anchorage Police  Department that there is a high                                                               
correlation  between motor  vehicle accidents  caused by  drivers                                                               
with  significant   delinquent  traffic   fines  and   that  just                                                               
suspending  a  person's  license doesn't  mitigate  the  problem.                                                               
Taking their vehicle  causes them more of a  problem than telling                                                               
they  can't drive  any more.  However, while  the department  can                                                               
take  vehicles for  public safety  purposes, he  didn't think  it                                                               
could  take  them   just  to  collect  fines   and  the  proposed                                                               
legislation would  make it necessary  for the state  to authorize                                                               
the  municipalities  to  make this  a  misdemeanor  offense.  The                                                               
$1,000 fine limit is where it is a public safety issue.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:26:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON asked  what the chances are of getting  a list of the                                                               
offenders.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE  replied that he included  the list in an  email to the                                                               
committee aide.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked if the list could be posted on line.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER said he thought that would be irrelevant.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:27:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MICK FORNELLI, Municipality of Anchorage,  reiterated that all of                                                               
these  issues come  to  it as  a default  judgment.  It wants  to                                                               
utilize the  available tools under due  process. The municipality                                                               
has utilized the writ of  execution to file against bank accounts                                                               
and the  permanent fund dividend.  This law  will allow it  to go                                                               
against  wages.  However, to  be  effective  the employer's  name                                                               
needs  to  be  known,  and  the  Department  of  Labor  has  that                                                               
information. Names are  needed for filing against  a bank account                                                               
or  the permanent  fund dividend,  but in  a wage  situation, one                                                               
needs  the  employer's  name. He  reiterated  this  provides  the                                                               
opportunity to  have a consequence  for those who have  failed to                                                               
comply with the law.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:29:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  if this  bill  would benefit  communities                                                               
other than Anchorage.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DUANE  BANNOCK,  Director,  Division  of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
replied  yes. The  City  of Fairbanks  is  considering a  similar                                                               
ordinance. The reason the DMV  supports this is because this bill                                                               
doesn't impound,  but it  allows local governments  to do  such a                                                               
thing by ordinance. It adds a tool to the tool box.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:31:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON  asked about  the severability  and constitutionality                                                               
of SB 145.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ED   SNIFFEN,  Assistant   Attorney   General,  Civil   Division,                                                               
Department of Law, said the  constitutionality deals with privacy                                                               
issues in  Section 1, and this  is whether the disclosure  of the                                                               
information by the Department of  Labor might infringe on privacy                                                               
interests. But the representative  from Anchorage was accurate in                                                               
stating  that  it already  has  the  confidential information  on                                                               
these  offenders,  so  the  DOL  would  not  be  giving  up  that                                                               
information.  There is  a potential  argument  that the  employer                                                               
identification  information  could  fall  under  right-to-privacy                                                               
interest,  but he  didn't think  it  was a  violation. Section  2                                                               
contains the other question of  whether the department could take                                                               
a vehicle  for failure to  pay fines  - a financial  issue alone,                                                               
but  tying   it  to   the  safety  issue   could  help   it  pass                                                               
constitutional  muster. He  didn't see  either issue  raising any                                                               
problems.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:33:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WAGONER removed  his  objection to  adopting  the CS  as                                                               
amended and it was adopted.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MCGUIRE  thanked  the committee  and  added  information                                                               
about  the  aircraft  issue  saying  that  current  aircraft  law                                                               
references  "operating a  vehicle, aircraft  or watercraft  while                                                               
under  the  influence  of  alcohol,  an  alcoholic  beverage,  an                                                               
inhalant or controlled substance". The  other part is refusing to                                                               
take a breathalyzer.  SB 145 does not impact that law.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She concluded that  passing this bill will not make  it state law                                                               
but will  give the option  to municipalities across the  state to                                                               
adopt ordinances that will give  them a strong tool for affecting                                                               
those individuals  who continue to  thumb their noses at  the law                                                               
to a  level that reaches  above $1,000.  People who do  pay their                                                               
fines pay for others that don't  and that adds up to the millions                                                               
of  dollars. Many  municipalities are  in financial  trouble. She                                                               
said  the  misdemeanor  issue could  be  discussed  in  Judiciary                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:36:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR OLSON asked  if the $7.5 million was in  citations alone or                                                               
if it included the accumulated interest.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE replied  that the amount only includes  the fine amount                                                               
and  the collection  costs that  are  awarded by  the courts.  No                                                               
interest is accumulated.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  asked if  the  administrative  costs are  $390  per                                                               
incident.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOORE said that was for the impound program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:37:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS moved  to report  CSSB 145(CRA),  Version C,  as                                                               
amended,  from  committee  with  individual  recommendations  and                                                               
accompanying fiscal  notes. There were  no objections and  it was                                                               
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Olson adjourned the meeting at 4:37:39 PM.                                                                              

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